Category talk:Shetland Heritage

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I'm not getting on too well here with getting the whole Category/Sub-Category/Article thing sorted out, and a little help would be appreciated, please.

I'm trying to end up with the 'Scots Lairds' as a sub-category of the heritage category, which is where it is now, finally.....However, the link to each individual laird's family is appearing in both the 'Scots Lairds' Sub-Category and in the 'Articles' down below. How do I get those links just to show in the opened Sub-Category link and not in the 'Articles' section?? If that makes any sense.... Thanks.

Ghostrider 13:20, 22 September 2007 (MDT)

No problem, We'll have a look and see what we can do. Watch if we get it right, don't look if we get it wrong ;-)
Been thinking about the "Scots Lairds". Would "Lairds of Shetland" be better?? I know sod all about them but am I right in thinking that there were Norwegian Lairds in Papa Stour up to the 17th century?? And perhaps were there any English Lairds??
Robbie 13:29, 22 September 2007 (MDT)

Fixed, I hope. The lairds only have to be given the category lairds, not the category heritage as well. ;-)
Robbie 13:36, 22 September 2007 (MDT)

Yup, that's the business, perfect. Thankyou.

Good point with the name. I just went with that as it's the commonest term I'm used to hearing, but right enough, it's too restrictive, Lairds of Shetland would be a lot better. I have a working knowledge of the Ness ones from stories I've heard told, but further afield I know nothing about. Papa Stour right enough has come up as being some sort of Norwegian stronghold, and Foula had some sort of Norwegian "Queen" of some sort too long after the Scots arrived, I seem to recall being mentioned somewhere. I was noticing too in that transcript of Grant's the the land the first Bruce of Sumburgh obtained in the late 16th century was up till then the property of the Bergen Kirk, so that made them lairds for a century of Scots rule too.

I'll try and rename the Category without doing too much damage, but if it's looking like it's all going awry on me again, I may need baling oot again.... ;-)))

Ghostrider 15:11, 22 September 2007 (MDT)

Shetland History , and its validity.

I'm putting this in here, purely because I can't think of a better place to put it.

I've been doing a lot of thinking tonight about where we're going wrong with historical input to our pages.
I've more to think about than this problem, but it's bugging me, so I'd like to hear what everybody thinks. Here's my thoughts:

What I think we are trying to do is gather the best information available, in a format where it can be edited by anybody, in the hope that eventually we will end up with the best possible consensus of opinion on any particular subject. By doing this we have to take, as a base, the information which is already available. But, what if all that information we are basing our pages on is wrong?
Brian, who is in a better position than any of us to know, has already pointed out the inadequacy of this concept.
Having thought this over, I now feel that we may be wrong to accept any books written about Shetland as a reference for the site. And I feel that we should in future give reference to any book used for research, to show where the incorrect information was obtained from. Likewise websites.
Personal knowledge, pictures, etc., there is no problem with. And the same goes for up to date news items, which will be the history of tomorrow, and as such hopefully we can record accurately.

Basically, what I'm trying to ask is:
Beyond factual modern information, is it worth trying to record details of Shetland's past. Since we appear to have very few reliable sources of information???
Robbie 15:59, 28 April 2008 (MDT)

As a footnote to this topic, before Oddrun gets a chance to go ballistic.
Much information has been gleaned from Norwegian historical sources. And in no way am I calling those records into dispute, or disrepute. Norwegian history is well documented, and I wouldn't want to say anything wrong about that. It's just the documentation, and writers of Shetland history, which I'm calling into question.
Robbie 16:19, 28 April 2008 (MDT)