Talk:1830

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@ All,

Just noticed we have Symbister House down as being built is both 1823 and 1830, anyone know which of the two years is the correct one?

Ghostrider 19:54, 9 December 2007 (MST)

All I do have confirms the info for 1830. Islandhopper 01:50, 10 December 2007 (MST)

I did a google for it and first answer was this page:
http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/whalsay/whalsay/ which states 1823.
Also Mike Finnie's book states 1823, built 'at the great expense of £30,000' by the 6th Robert Bruce of Symbister. It was Oddrun who put in 1823,, she's not home yet so not sure where she found it from, but I would assume one of these sources.
Robbie 09:13, 10 December 2007 (MST)

Just came in, Robbie is right, and I also have this page, the Schoolpage, If you scroll down, You'll find a drawing and a decription....all I have says 1823...
http://www.whalsay.shetland.sch.uk/school/photogallery.shtml
--Oddrun 09:24, 10 December 2007 (MST)

I wonder if one date is when the foundation was laid and the other is for the completion of the building, and that's causing the confusion. A building of it's size and complexity almost certainly didn't get built terribly quickly back then, especially if all the stonework had to be rafted across from Nesting. None of the sites seem to make mention whether 1823 was a start of finish date though, which is a pity.
Ghostrider 09:36, 10 December 2007 (MST)

Most searches come up with 1823, although these say 1830
http://www.iknow-scotland.co.uk/tourist_information/scottish_islands/shetland_isles/whalsay_shetland_islands.htm
I'm beginning to think that the 1823 is the most believable, although one of the above sites states 'finished in 1830'. This could mean that as the Bruce family were nearly 'oot da erse' with the costs, perhaps some work was delayed, and total completion wasn't until 1930. This would be fairly possible, but we perhaps should accept 1823 as the building year, that way staying in line with the Museum, Finnie, Undiscovered Scotland, etc.. Although I would err on the side of caution, and add a completion date, or something like that.
Robbie 10:14, 10 December 2007 (MST)


Generally: For such questions we should not refer to "tourist information websites" which dunno show a proper reference. Despite that we do have Finnie/Shetland Museum saying 1823 in contrast with RCAHMS publications saying 1830.
The "truth" may be in between that's to say what's on the Gresham College website quoting Brian Smith: Symbister House finished in 1830 ... ;-) ;-) Islandhopper 17:16, 10 December 2007 (MST)

I thought that site said it was finished in 1830 until I read it again,, "Gables are of the same granite as Symbister House finished in 1830 (stone quarried at Staveness in Nesting). ", and realised that, assuming it is not punctuated wrongly, it was the gables of pier house which were finished in 1830, using the same stone as Symbister House.
I think there is too much evidence pointing to 1823. Even the museum picture which shows the image with a caption "1824 -", which would perhaps indicate, finished in 1824', but again pointing to 'built in 1823'
I think the key words here are 'built' and 'finished'. Irregardless of when it was finished, we should accept our entry as 1823. This would be in keeping with other buildings in 'Years', which are dated by the laying of the foundation. If we subsequently find hard evidence of an actual completion time, we can always add it later.
How does that sound?? :-)
Robbie 21:56, 10 December 2007 (MST)

... good ;-) go ahead !
... despite that I do assume that it is an "punctuation thingy" because - as far as I do remember - the gables (upper parts) of the böd were reconstructed in the 1960s or 1980s ... ;-) (private note about the böd: When I first visited the site it was called Bremen Böd but the Hamburg flad was flown. So I asked the Senade of Bremen to send a Bremen flag to be flown properly above the böd. So it happened but in between the name changed to Hanseathic Booth and for some time the Bremen flag was presented only in the show room>/coffee shop that existed not in the "pier house" but in the more recent building which incorporates the original former "böd". Some of the correspondence survived - the floorplans of the böd in the articles resulted from the info - but for the moment I don't have the time to check it out properly ... ;-) ) ... and only the upper parts are made from the said granite using left over or recycled stones from Symbister House ... ;-) Islandhopper 15:41, 11 December 2007 (MST)

Re. the böd. Finnie states that (Alteration c.1830, is indicated by cut granite blocks in the gables.), which is why I assume that website is referring to the böd for 1830.
He continues (Fine restoration in 1984 by Richard Gibson using traditional methods of construction.), which will be the restoration you are thinking about.
Having said that, the way that Finnie writes the article, referring to the "Pier House", complete with picture of "Böd", then referring to the "Bremen Booth", as though it was a different building, makes me, as usual, question his facts. ;-) :-) :-).
We'll go with 1823 just now, and see what else crops up during future research.
Cheers,
Robbie 21:54, 11 December 2007 (MST)

RE: Böd -
>>>... referring to the "Pier House", complete with picture of "Böd", then referring to the "Bremen Booth", as though it was a different building, ...<<<
I have not got my copy back but that confused me for years, too ;-).
Nevertheless, Finnie is right. We do have structure 1 known as Bremen Böd, Hanseatic Booth or Symbister Pierhouse – it served as crane, living quarter and interim storage … but that was most probably not the hanseatic trading booth. Again: Up to this point Finnie is right. The remains of what probably was "the booth" are incorporated in the building to the east of the little harbour basin, with a second "booth" and / or an additional warehouse incorporated in the complex to the south of the basin (the structure with the wall slits filled with stones in modern times and the arched entrance in the seaward gable) … and another booth just 1 mile to the north ... that all together makes Symbister an unique industrial monument … ;-) Islandhopper 14:15, 12 December 2007 (MST)

"Industrial Munument" ;-) :-)))
That reminds me of the story about a university professor who visited Shetland, researching old ruins and monuments. One day he stopped at an old croft house and asked the woman, working hard in the kale yard, if she knew of any ruins or monuments in the area.
She rested from her task for a few seconds, looked around here, then said, "Weel Sir, Wir byre yunder is a total bloody ruin, an as fur wir Jeemie sitting yunder i da restin shair,, is du ever seen a mair useless moaniment i dee time?"
But seriously, Symbister needs a lot more written about it's history.. Now there's a challenge for someone ;-)
Robbie 14:44, 12 December 2007 (MST)

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